Explain to me why, in the aftermath of one of the most devastating news reports published about this gang’s lawless rule, the Bush bully boys roll out the (few) WOMEN of their administration to defend their policies of torture
Monster with a pretty facehttp://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004378.php
QUESTION: You maintain that the administration still does not torture?
PERINO: Correct....
QUESTION: But is it not possible that some of these classified opinions may have changed the definition of "torture"?
PERINO: No. I don't believe so. I have not seen them. But as everything was described to me, no, I don't believe that's possible....
QUESTION: How can you say that ... how can you say with assurance that we don't torture if you don't know what was in the ...
PERINO: Because we follow the law. . . .
[NB: Now THAT’S what I call an airtight argument]
QUESTION: It is oft declared that the policy of the United States is not to torture, but, of course, you won't describe to us what you do . . . that you don't call torture.
PERINO: Well, there's a very good reason for that.
QUESTION: So once again I will say, whether or not you torture them, whether or not you consider what you're doing to these people torture ... isn't it inconsistent with a commitment to democracy to hold someone outside the United States when you want to do to them what you cannot do inside the United States?
PERINO: I will tell you what ... the reason that we don't provide the classified information on interrogation techniques is because we know very well . . . that individuals like al Qaeda train to interrogation techniques. And we know that these are people who will make sure that they can resist any type of interrogation technique in order to carry out horrible, murderous deeds, like killing 3,000 Americans in New York City and at the Pentagon. And we are in a global war on terror. The President ... go back to the September 6th speech. The President was very clear as to the situation that we are in and why are we are endeavoring to protect the American people like we are. That's exactly why we do it.
[NB: They always fall back on this one, don’t they? “Don’t ask too many questions about what we’re doing, because these are bad people who want to hurt you (i.e., they deserve whatever we do to them).”]
QUESTION: I will stipulate these are bad people. I am not asking you to tell me what is being done to them; I'm asking you about the principle of holding them someplace where you can do what you can't do in the United States.
PERINO: Look, regardless of where they are, we do not torture anyone. And getting that information from those individuals is critically important to protecting this country.
QUESTION: Can I go back to ... you say we do not provide information ... is it because you're saying you don't want al Qaeda to train its people to resist your techniques; is that the reason?
PERINO: That's right. . . .
QUESTION: Dana, these techniques that have been talked about through intelligence sources and published ... whether it's waterboarding, simulated drowning, subjection to extreme temperatures, loud music, deprived of food or sleep for periods of time ... all of that is well known. And if al Qaeda needs a game book, they can read The New York Times and figure out, well, those are a few techniques we might try to train against. So doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of saying that it is not something we want to ...
PERINO: Just because it's printed in The New York Times doesn't mean that we should talk about it publicly. I just reject the notion ...
PERINO: Well, I think that the American people can understand ... I believe that the American people can understand why there are certain pieces of information and tools that we use in the global war on terror that remain classified in order to protect them ...
QUESTION: Why do you believe they are not disgraced and shamed when torture is attached to our name?
PERINO: Helen, the United States policy is not to torture, and we do not.
QUESTION: I hear what you're saying, the policy. But what do we really do ...
PERINO: The American people have every right to be very proud of what we've done, and we have not had another terrorist attack on this country. And they should be glad of that, as well.
QUESTION: So the end justifies the means.
PERINO: Our end is that we don't ... our means are that we don't torture, and the end result is that we've not had a terrorist attack.
QUESTION: Just you saying it doesn't mean it's true. . . .
http://www.first-draft.com/2007/10/today-on-hold-3.html
Q Just generally, does the administration -- does the President believe that head-slapping and simulated drowning are necessary tactics to use against suspected terrorists to keep America safe?
MS. PERINO: Let me take a step back. In the days after 9/11, when we were getting a steady stream of intelligence about potential new attacks, the President faced a lot of challenges. And he asked his national security team to make sure that we designed and made sure that within the laws we had all the tools that we needed in order to keep this country safe and to prevent another attack. . . .
[NB: I take it that means, “Yes,” right?]
Watch it: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/055107.php
Monster with a not-so-pretty facehttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/04/sitroom.02.html
FRAN TOWNSEND, WHITE HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISER: OK. Well, let's back up and be very clear. You've heard Dana Perino say it today. You heard the president say it numerous times -- the United States does not torture.
Do we have a program?
Yes, we do. It is -- it is very limited. There have been fewer than 100 people in it. . . . These techniques were used on Abu Zubaydah. It produced actionable intelligence that resulted in the capture of Ramzi Binalshibh. This is -- this -- these programs stop attacks.
BLITZER: All right, well, let's go through some of the specifics and you tell us if you're doing that.
For example, the "New York Times" says these memos authorized not only slaps to the head, but hours held naked in a frigid cell, days and nights without sleep while battered by thundering rock music, long periods manacled in stress positions or the ultimate -- water boarding. "Never in history," the "Times" says, "has the United States authorized such tactics."
Is that true?
TOWNSEND: Now, Wolf, obviously I'm not going to talk about each individual and specific technique that we used. . . . Frankly, Wolf, if Americans are killed because we fail to do the hard things, the American people would have the absolute right to ask us why.
BLITZER: Well, let me -- let me rephrase the question. Without confirming that you are actually doing those things, but those things, as described in the "New York Times" today, if someone were doing those things, would that be torture?
TOWNSEND: Wolf, we adhere to the -- to the law. . .
BLITZER: All right. We've got to wrap it up.
But are these techniques, whatever they are -- and I know you don't want to describe them -- are they still being used?
TOWNSEND: Wolf, I'm not going to talk about the operational activity of the CIA. I will tell you that when we capture someone who is in a position to have location data on Al Qaeda leadership or information about a relevant threat, we will use the -- we will operate within the limits of the law.
BLITZER: Was the "New York Times" story accurate?
TOWNSEND: Look, I'm not going to go through which parts of it were accurate and not. I will tell you, as I've said to you before, I think it is incredibly irresponsible to leak classified information that threatens our national security and the effectiveness of the techniques we do have at our disposal. If we want the men and women of the intelligence community to be successful, we've got to give them the tools they need.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/10/04/BL2007100401359.html
[Dan Froomkin] Finding out what our government has been doing in our name, and openly debating our interrogation policies, should have been high on the national agenda since the disclosure of the shockingly inhumane treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Few other issues speak so clearly to how we see ourselves as a people -- and how others see us.
But the White House's non-denial denials, disingenuous euphemisms and oppressive secrecy have repeatedly stifled any genuine discourse. Bush shuts down discussion by declaring that "we don't torture" -- yet he won't even say how he defines the term. . . . [read on]
Greenwald, of course: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/10/04/lawlessness/index.html
Outrage
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/10/torture-memo-20.html
[Jack Balkin] The twisting of law by the Justice Department under Alberto Gonzales is far worse than Gonzales' misleading testimony in front of Congress about the U.S. Attorney scandal. That scandal dominated the headlines for weeks. This one deserves far more searching press scrutiny. Despite the fact that Congress repeatedly passed legislation stating that it was illegal for U.S. personnel to engage in torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, the Justice Department repeatedly redefined the terms of these prohibitions so that the CIA could keep doing exactly what the Justice Department had authorized to do before. Gonzales treated all of these laws as if they made no difference at all, as if they were just pieces of paper. . . [read on]
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/4/1321/78325
[McJoan] It is well worth asking about what other secret opinions the Justice Department has issued. . . [read on]
More: http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/torture-its-all-the-rage/
Will Congress act?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/14cnd-interrogate.html
The Democratic chairmen of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees asked the Justice Department today to turn over secret legal opinions issued in 2005 that authorized the use of harsh interrogation techniques against terrorism suspects after the Department publicly repudiated torture as “abhorrent” in a 2004 opinion. . . .
More: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_on_go_co/bush_terrorism;_ylt=Ah2alVeVlSDoFdU8AORhM1ys0NUE
Hmmm. . . how can we hide the facts of death and destruction in Iraq from the American people?
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004386.php
Oh-oh, looks like Blackwater’s got a LITTLE problem. U.S troops were on the scene during the recent bloodfest, and their version corroborates the Iraq govt’s claims
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/04/AR2007100402654.html
U.S. military reports from the scene of the Sept. 16 shooting incident involving the security firm Blackwater USA indicate that its guards opened fire without provocation and used excessive force against Iraqi civilians, according to a senior U.S. military official. . . .
O – M – G
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004385.php
[Spencer Ackerman] It's a prime example of the lawlessness in Iraq. The details are sketchy and disputed, but here they are: An Iraqi corruption judge, continually thwarted in his pursuit of justice, finally helps convict a high-ranking official. But then the official breaks out of jail. Or, rather, the official is helped out of jail by guards working for one defense contractor, but is then returned -- only to leave jail with the help of another. Allegedly.
You couldn’t make it up
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004373.php
The FBI team traveling to Iraq at the behest of the State Department to assist in the investigation of Blackwater's September 16 shooting at Nisour Square was supposed to be guarded by... Blackwater. . .
Outsourcing our virtue
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-blackwater30sep30,0,5983674.story
Alas, the dream of managing the government more like a business is central to some of the Bush administration's most disastrous mistakes. It was at the heart of the decision to browbeat the generals into agreeing to invade Iraq with a "light footprint," which allowed the insurgency to flourish. Contempt for the bureaucratic process doomed serious postwar planning -- after all, governmental decision-making is political, collaborative and agonizingly slow, and the result is almost always a compromise that may avoid disaster but stifles innovation. To run the occupation of Iraq, President Bush chose a man who promised to make decisions like a CEO, which is why L. Paul Bremer III made the fatal mistake of disbanding the Iraqi army without consulting the cumbersome Washington bureaucracy. And corporate thinking about efficiency led to vastly expanding the outsourcing of functions traditionally performed by the military. The biggest beneficiary has been Blackwater USA, a private security firm with powerful political and personnel ties to an administration that has awarded it more than $1 billion in contracts since 2002. . . [read on]
LONG overdue
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071004/ap_on_go_co/congress_blackwater;_ylt=AnP6qO5.mxkKt3OSEK4lIpis0NUE
The House passed a bill Thursday that would make all private contractors working in Iraq and other combat zones subject to prosecution by U.S. courts. It was the first major response by Congress to a deadly shooting in Baghdad involving Blackwater USA security guards.
Democrats called the 389-30 vote an indictment of the incident, which left at least 13 Iraqis dead. Senate Democratic leaders said they planned to follow suit with similar legislation and send a bill to President Bush as soon as possible. . .
When in desperation, change the subject
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/04/AR2007100401305.html
The Iraqi government led by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has thwarted investigations into corruption at the top levels of his administration, including probes of his relatives, while nearly four dozen anti-corruption employees or their family members have been brutally murdered, the former top Iraqi corruption investigator told a House panel yesterday. . .
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004379.php
[Spencer Ackerman] Classy guy, that Rep. John Mica (R-FL). Hearing about how Radhi Hamza al-Radhi's investigators have been tortured and murdered by militias affiliated with Iraqi political parties -- including the prime minister's -- Mica kept his eye squarely on the real target: Bill Clinton. Mica read out a list of what he described as the Clinton administration's misdeeds -- officials under indictment; officials who fled the country rather than testify; and, of course, impeachment -- to make the point, he said, that "no administration is left without corruption." . .
A CONSERVATIVE takes on Petraeus, and when he’s done there’s not much left
http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/definitive-piece-on-petraeus.html
[Andrew Bacevich] [I]n presenting his recent assessment of the Iraq War and in describing the “way forward,” Petraeus demonstrated that he is a political general of the worst kind—one who indulges in the politics of accommodation that is Washington’s bread and butter but has thereby deferred a far more urgent political imperative, namely, bringing our military policies into harmony with our political purposes.
Petraeus has chosen a middle course, carefully crafted to cause the least amount of consternation among various Washington constituencies he is eager to accommodate. This is the politics of give and take, of horse trading, of putting lipstick on a pig. Ultimately, it is the politics of avoidance. . . [read on]
More: http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_09_24/article2.html
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/general-faust-by-digby-andrew-bacevich.html
[Digby] I realize it's treasonous to use the word "betray" in the same breath as The Man Called Petraeus. So I'll frame it another way. He sold his soul to the devil. . . [read on]
31%
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_09_30_archive.html#2900945585836250350
[AP] Public approval for President Bush . . . has sunk to the lowest levels ever recorded in The Associated Press-Ipsos poll. . .
Bush’s legacy of destruction
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/bushs-betrayal-of-trust-its-not-just-iraq/
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1724
How they get away with it: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/scared-by-tristero-strange-thought.html
US Attorney aficionados know all about the suspicious prosecution of Democratic Gov. of Alabama Don Siegelman. For all I know, Siegelman got what he deserved – but the background makes clear that he was targeted for partisan reasons. Now we learn more
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/karl-roves-dirty-laundry-the-pile-just-gets-bigger/
[Jane Hamsher] It appears that Lanny Young, Jr., the lobbyist who put Democratic former Governor of Alabama behind bars with his admission of giving him illegal campaign contributions, gave similar donations to Republicans Jeff Sessions and William Pryor. Those allegations, however, were never investigated . . . [read on]
More: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1668220,00.html
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004374.php
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_10/012185.php
[Kevin Drum] Well, I'm sure there's an innocent explanation for all this. Probably some kind of staff shortage or something. We really shouldn't let this stuff distract us from important symbolic denunciations of liberal interest groups.
Blocking Von Spakovsky – just say NO, for chrissake. If the Dems can’t do this, they can’t do ANYTHING
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004381.php
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/4/95741/0697
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/4/114213/424
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004389.php
HUD Sect’y under investigation (finally)
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/071004nj2.htm
In April last year, Housing Secretary Alphonso Jackson traveled to Dallas to deliver a speech to a group of minority real estate executives. The event should have been pretty routine stuff. But Jackson -- and these are his words -- shot off his mouth by describing how he believed contracts should be awarded by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The secretary recalled, for instance, how he once had killed a contract award because the contractor had disparaged his friend President Bush.
Alfonso Jackson Not too long after his speech, when he was back in Washington, Jackson realized he had blundered. . .
More: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004387.php
http://www.first-draft.com/2007/10/huds-jackson-un.html
The Roveans depart
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004388.php
The new Republican strategy on SCHIP
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/4/81915/3035
Lie. . .
It’s all they’ve got: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/5/6819/09410
Rush slanders the troops, gets caught at it, and the GOP turns it into a fundraising bonanza (sigh)
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/10/nrcc_raising_mo.php
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/playing-different-game-altogether-by.html
More lies from Rush: http://mediamatters.org/items/200710040013
Ann Coulter comes out against the vote for women . . . no, really, SHE DOES
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13114.html
“If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Democrat president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.”
More: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=10&year=2007&base_name=coulter_comes_out_against_wome
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=10&year=2007&base_name=wanted_more_attack_dogs
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=10&year=2007&base_name=disenfranchising_ann_coulter
The kind of people some people are
http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/difficult-discussions-people-dont-want.html
[Smoking Gun] A group of white Louisiana college students dressed in blackface and reenacted the "Jena 6" assault while a friend snapped photos and videotaped the staged attack . . .
Is the Religious Right really contemplating a third party challenge to Rudy? Are they lining up behind McCain?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/055065.php
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13107.html
Fred Thompson (yawn)
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/04/frederick-of-holly-wouldnt/
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/snoozing-on-casting-couch-by-digby.html
Larry Craig goes back on yet another promise. The court won’t let him withdraw his guilty verdict, but he still plans to stay in office. The GOP leadership is apoplectic
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13116.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/4/162319/747
A genius? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/055102.php
Democrats rejoice! http://www.samefacts.com/archives/corruption_in_washington_/2007/10/god_bless_larry_craig.php
Bonus item: No, this is not a joke – it’s the actual GOP National Convention logo (until they decide to pull it and change it, which I’m sure they will) http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/4/145252/385
[Kos] Wide stance? Check.
In Minneapolis? Check.
Prison stripe-wearing? Check.
Starry eyed? Check.
As for the elephant humping the "2008"...
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